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Subject: Re: Re: An Appeal from Father Jon Pedigo : May 1 Action
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 10:49:22 -0700
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Here's another thought on this.  And I offer it only because I resist any
efforts to make any political opinion simple.

We are to see Christ in the neighbor who is the illegal immigrant.  But we
are also to see Christ in the neighbor whose life is affected by illegal
immigration,.  So I have an obligation to consider what happens to a societ=
y
where there is open violation of the law.  I have an obligation to consider
the consequences to those who are taxed to provide the cost of social
services, medical care, law enforcement, etc.  And I have an obligation to
consider what happens to the social fabric when people are vulnerable to
abuse because they are illegal.

I will not defend the Arizona law.  It looks like political theater not an
attempt to create a more just and civil society.  And to me, that's the
tragedy of our current situation.  We seem more interested in how we look
than in what is just for my neighbor.

PS there is also a distinction between how I treat an individual who stands
before me and what laws best serve a society.

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bea Chun <pastorchun@cgslc.org> wrote:

>  Dear Ed,
>
>
>
> I agree with you=85 in theory. But in practice my heart is in a different
> place. To leave one=92s homeland is not something one would do easily or
> lightly even under the best of circumstances. It is so hard to be away fr=
om
> family! And to leave with uncertainty, not knowing whether one will survi=
ve
> the trip, whether one will be robbed, beaten or shot, or placed in
> interminable detention upon arrival. All these are scary prospects. It
> speaks of the utter desperation of the people who try to cross the border
> knowing all that awaits them, and still they attempt the journey. When th=
ey
> arrive here, can we look them in the face and see the face of Christ? And
> then decide what is the best way forward and treat them as we would Chris=
t?
> What a vast majority thinks in these matters is informative and should
> certainly be brought into consideration, but ultimately I hope that I lis=
ten
> to the gospel more than to public opinion. I would be willing to go to ja=
il
> for this.
>
>
>
> Bea
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* scvlp@googlegroups.com [mailto:scvlp@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Ed Miller
> *Sent:* Friday, April 30, 2010 2:10 PM
> *To:* scvlp@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [!! SPAM] Re: An Appeal from Father Jon Pedigo : May 1 Action
>
>
>
> I strongly disagree with your interpetation of Arizona's immigration law.
> If you carefully read the new law, all it does is inforce U.S. federal
> immigration law.  Also, Mexico, as a nation, has such a law and enforces
> it.  As a long time member of Federation for American Immigration Reform =
and
> Californians for Population Stabilization, I know this is a correct
> interpretation of Arizona's law.  Without laws and the enforcement of the=
m,
> we become a society filled with chaos.  Our immigration laws are the most
> liberal in the world, allowing more than one million legal immigrants to
> enter the U.S. every year.  At a time when anywhere from l0% to 15% of
> Americans are out of work and the nation is in economic crisis, we muct
> enforce our immigration laws.  Arizona is doing what our federal authorit=
ies
> have not been willing to do- enforce the laws of our land.  By the way, a
> vast majority of Americans wholeheartedly support this enforcement of our
> laws.
>
>
>
> Pastor Ed Miller
>
>
>
> P.S.:  By the way, I am the son of legal immigrants.  Also, of my five
> grown children, three of them are married to immigrants, from Mexico, Chi=
na
> and Cambodia.  My twelve grandchildren are a beautiful rainbow of colors.
> In other words, Americans who support law enforcement, should never
> automatically be called racists.  I strongly resent that...  I , for one,
> was involved in the civil rights movement of the 60's.  Again, all we wan=
t
> to do is regain enforcement of the laws of our land,  To me that is the
> moral high ground.
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Bea Chun <pastorchun@cgslc.org> wrote:
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Jon Pedigo* <jonpedigo@me.com>
> Date: Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:03 AM
> Subject: May 1 Action
>
> Fellow Clergy!  Please PASS THIS EMAIL TO OTHER CLERGY, my email list
> incomplete.
>
> As you know, this year's May march will take on a very powerful tone due =
to
> three factors: the most prominent is what happened in Arizona last week: =
the
> introduction of Arizona's SB 1070, the law that will legitimize the pract=
ice
> of unreasonable search and seizure, unwarranted detention of American
> citizens and racial profiling.   The second factor: the introduction of a
> conceptual framework on comprehensive immigration reform in the Senate.  =
The
> third: the powerful effect that faith communities have had in mobilizing =
the
> immigrant community.
>
> As clergy, we are morally outraged at the unjust and inhumane treatment o=
f
> immigrants in Arizona.  History calls us to respond in with powerful,
> faithful witness. Silence from people of good will and the lack of public
> outrage from grass roots faith leaders has given those who hate immigrant=
s a
> platform for their divisive rhetoric.  Anti-immigrant personalities flood
> the news shows on conservative-leaning media with false data on immigrant=
s.
> Commentaries from television personalities such as Glenn Beck, Sean Hanni=
ty
> and JD Hayworth have solidified a base of angry anti-immigrant activists.
>  Hate incidents and hate crimes against immigrants is on the rise in near=
ly
> all 50 states, including here in Santa Clara County.
>
> I am imploring that you participate in the May 1 march and rally.  We wil=
l
> have a powerful prayer ritual in the beginning of the march. Clergy from =
all
> denominations are asked to make your way to the foot of the stage at 3:30=
 pm
> and help bless and distribute sweet bread to the crowd.  The bread will
> signify the unity we share with one another, especially between immigrant
> and non-immigrant.  Please wear some kind of clerical garb or religious
> symbol that will signify your role within your faith tradition.
>
> I ask that you please join the march and stand with the thousands of peop=
le
> who are praying for the unity of their loved ones. Having a strong, visib=
le
> clergy presence has helped maintain the spiritual and peaceful atmosphere
> among participants. The march will end with a rally at the City Hall at  =
6
> pm.
>
> I'm enclosing the Justice for Immigrants Diocese of San Jose Pastoral
> Letter on Arizona's SB 1070 below.  Please feel free to distribute.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rabbi Melanie Aron
> Congregation Shir Hadash
> 20 Cherry Blossom Lane
> Los Gatos, CA 95032
> Phone: 408-358-1751 x4
> Fax: 408-358-1753
>
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Here&#39;s another thought on this.=A0 And I offer it only because I resist=
 any efforts to make any political opinion simple.<br><br>We are to see Chr=
ist in the neighbor who is the illegal immigrant.=A0 But we are also to see=
 Christ in the neighbor whose life is affected by illegal immigration,.=A0 =
So I have an obligation to consider what happens to a society where there i=
s open violation of the law.=A0 I have an obligation to consider the conseq=
uences to those who are taxed to provide the cost of social services, medic=
al care, law enforcement, etc.=A0 And I have an obligation to consider what=
 happens to the social fabric when people are vulnerable to abuse because t=
hey are illegal.=A0 <br>
<br>I will not defend the Arizona law.=A0 It looks like political theater n=
ot an attempt to create a more just and civil society.=A0 And to me, that&#=
39;s the tragedy of our current situation.=A0 We seem more interested in ho=
w we look than in what is just for my neighbor.<br>
<br>PS there is also a distinction between how I treat an individual who st=
ands before me and what laws best serve a society.<br><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Bea Chun <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:pastorchun@cgslc.org">pastorchun@cgslc.org</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br>
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r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">


















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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Dear Ed,</span=
></font></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">=A0</span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">I agree with y=
ou=85 in theory. But in practice
my heart is in a different place. To leave one=92s homeland is not
something one would do easily or lightly even under the best of circumstanc=
es. It
is so hard to be away from family! And to leave with uncertainty, not knowi=
ng
whether one will survive the trip, whether one will be robbed, beaten or sh=
ot,
or placed in interminable detention upon arrival. All these are scary prosp=
ects.
It speaks of the utter desperation of the people who try to cross the borde=
r knowing
all that awaits them, and still they attempt the journey. When they arrive
here, can we look them in the face and see the face of Christ? And then dec=
ide
what is the best way forward and treat them as we would Christ? What a vast
majority thinks in these matters is informative and should certainly be bro=
ught
into consideration, but ultimately I hope that I listen to the gospel more =
than
to public opinion. I would be willing to go to jail for this.</span></font>=
</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">=A0</span></fo=
nt></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"2" color=3D"navy" face=3D"Arial"><span=
 style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Bea</span></fo=
nt></p>

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 style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">=A0</span></fo=
nt></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font=
></b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-=
family: Tahoma;">
<a href=3D"mailto:scvlp@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">scvlp@googlegro=
ups.com</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:scvlp@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">scvlp@googlegroups.com</a>] <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">On B=
ehalf Of </span></b>Ed Miller<br>

<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 30, 20=
10 2:10
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:scvl=
p@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">scvlp@googlegroups.com</a><br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [!! SPAM] Re: An =
Appeal
from Father Jon Pedigo : May 1 Action</span></font></p>

</div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">

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e=3D"font-size: 12pt;">=A0</span></font></p>

<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12pt;">I strongly disagree with your interpetation of Arizo=
na&#39;s immigration law.=A0 If you
carefully read the new law, all it does is inforce U.S. federal immigration=
 law.=A0
Also, Mexico,
as a nation, has such a law and enforces it.=A0 As a long time member of
Federation for American Immigration Reform and Californians for Population
Stabilization, I know this is a correct interpretation of Arizona&#39;s law=
.=A0 Without laws and the
enforcement of them, we become a society filled with chaos.=A0 Our
immigration laws are the most liberal in the world, allowing more than one
million legal immigrants to enter the U.S. every year.=A0 At a time
when anywhere from l0% to 15% of Americans are out of work and the nation i=
s in
economic crisis, we muct enforce our immigration laws.=A0 Arizona is doing =
what our federal
authorities have not been willing to do- enforce the laws of our land.=A0 B=
y
the way, a vast majority of Americans wholeheartedly support this enforceme=
nt
of our laws.</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

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e=3D"font-size: 12pt;">=A0</span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Pastor Ed Miller</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12pt;">=A0</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size=3D"3" face=
=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">P.S.:=A0 By the way, =
I
am the son of legal immigrants.=A0 Also, of my five grown children, three o=
f
them are married to immigrants, from Mexico,
China and Cambodia.=A0
My twelve grandchildren are a beautiful rainbow of colors.=A0 In other
words, Americans who support law enforcement, should never automatically be
called racists.=A0 I strongly resent that...=A0 I , for one, was involved
in the civil rights movement of the 60&#39;s.=A0 Again, all we want to do i=
s
regain enforcement of the laws of our land,=A0 To me that is the moral high
ground.</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: 12pt;">On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Bea Chun &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:pastorchun@cgslc.org" target=3D"_blank">pastorchun@cgslc.org</a=
>&gt; wrote:</span></font></p>


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font size=3D"3" face=
=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">----------
Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Jon Pedigo</span></b> &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:jonpedigo@me.com" target=3D"_blank">jonpedigo@me.com</a>&gt;<b=
r>
Date: Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:03 AM<br>
Subject: May 1 Action<br>
<br>
Fellow Clergy! =A0Please PASS THIS EMAIL TO OTHER CLERGY, my email list
incomplete.<br>
<br>
As you know, this year&#39;s May march will take on a very powerful tone du=
e to
three factors: the most prominent is what happened in Arizona
last week: the introduction of Arizona&#39;s
SB 1070, the law that will legitimize the practice of unreasonable search a=
nd
seizure, unwarranted detention of American citizens and racial profiling.
=A0 The second factor: the introduction of a conceptual framework on compre=
hensive
immigration reform in the Senate. =A0The third: the powerful effect that
faith communities have had in mobilizing the immigrant community.<br>
<br>
As clergy, we are morally outraged at the unjust and inhumane treatment of
immigrants in Arizona.
=A0History calls us to respond in with powerful, faithful witness. Silence
from people of good will and the lack of public outrage from grass roots fa=
ith
leaders has given those who hate immigrants a platform for their divisive
rhetoric. =A0Anti-immigrant personalities flood the news shows on
conservative-leaning media with false data on immigrants. Commentaries from
television personalities such as Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and JD Hayworth h=
ave
solidified a base of angry anti-immigrant activists. =A0Hate incidents and
hate crimes against immigrants is on the rise in nearly all 50 states,
including here in Santa Clara
 County.<br>
<br>
I am imploring that you participate in the May 1 march and rally. =A0We wil=
l
have a powerful prayer ritual in the beginning of the march. Clergy from al=
l
denominations are asked to make your way to the foot of the stage at 3:30 p=
m
and help bless and distribute sweet bread to the crowd. =A0The bread will
signify the unity we share with one another, especially between immigrant a=
nd
non-immigrant. =A0Please wear some kind of clerical garb or religious symbo=
l
that will signify your role within your faith tradition.<br>
<br>
I ask that you please join the march and stand with the thousands of people=
 who
are praying for the unity of their loved ones. Having a strong, visible cle=
rgy
presence has helped maintain the spiritual and peaceful atmosphere among
participants. The march will end with a rally at the City Hall at =A06 pm.<=
br>
<br>
I&#39;m enclosing the Justice for Immigrants Diocese of San Jose Pastoral L=
etter on
Arizona&#39;s SB
1070 below. =A0Please feel free to distribute.</span></font></p>

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<br>
-- <br>
Rabbi Melanie Aron<br>
Congregation Shir Hadash<br>
20 Cherry Blossom Lane<br>
Los Gatos, CA 95032<br>
Phone: 408-358-1751 x4<br>
Fax: 408-358-1753</span></font></p>

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